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Posted By : Wizdom | Comments : 195

Calling all Bands, Duos, Solo artistes and Venues! If we could save this site? Please look inside!

What would you be willing to pay for a single payment per year subscription fee?
think about how much this site means to you!

Me personally I will be happy to pay £25 per year.

and that's less than a pint per month

If you are willing to pay £25 Per year please could you just leave
a Yes and then it makes it easy to follow how many of us are on board. Thanks!


Mike. Wizdom Band


# Posted by Howard - Sound and Light Produ... - 28/07/2016, 22:15 (GMT)

I'm happy in principle with that 25 - 30 a year isn't much to contribute towards the north west music scene.
I would like to see some moderation in return, even if it's voluntary - I'm not paying for the privileged of some knuckle dragger to hurl insults,
it's expensive to add payment structure in if it's not just waiting to be switched on so it's going to take quite a bit of money to code that, administer and then admin the site - I imagine mr NWB has doubts the figures will add up. I'm happy to contribute to a one off fund to convert the site to a paying site too if that helps Mr NWB.

# Posted by Roj (Black Rose) - 28/07/2016, 22:21 (GMT)

As I've said for years I'd gladly pay an annual subscription, no problem.

# Posted by Wizdom - 28/07/2016, 22:23 (GMT)

That's a brilliant start thank you Howard thank you for your constructive input
that's great!

# Posted by Wizdom - 28/07/2016, 22:24 (GMT)

Thank you Roj that's great!

# Posted by FALLEN ANGELS - 28/07/2016, 22:42 (GMT)

I'd pay if the site was working properly.

At the moment it's full of random posts, spam (although a bit less in the last couple of weeks) and lots of accounts on here haven't logged on for years. There needs to be a big clear out and unused accounts should be deleted.

It it had a big clean up and it was easy to see posted gigs, and who is doing what, and if there were rules about deleting old accounts then I'd be happy to pay.

We've had quite a few gigs off here, and also I've sold some band gear easily, and bought some too. Also had a lot of good information from other entertainers. There isn't another site that I know if like it,

However, I think it's quite a task in terms of time and ability to run this site smoothly.

# Posted by Wizdom - 28/07/2016, 22:45 (GMT)

Thank you Fallen Angels your comments much appreciated!

# Posted by THE ROB MARTIN BAND - 28/07/2016, 22:57 (GMT)

Count me in Guys I'm up for it
You know where to find me happy to discuss what when where and how with whoever. Just say the word

# Posted by Wizdom - 28/07/2016, 23:00 (GMT)

Nice 1 Rob thanks for commenting appreciated!

# Posted by Dan Evans - 29/07/2016, 07:43 (GMT)

Yeah, I'm in, happy to pay an annual sub of around that price. Makes sense

# Posted by TheEdge159 - 29/07/2016, 08:23 (GMT)

Yes, its easy to manage as well. Get a list of all using members on here and tick them off when they have paid, use pay pal then no need for coding on here. Block all those that don't pay. Simples.

# Posted by james luke - 29/07/2016, 09:15 (GMT)

This has been talked about before, I myself would be more than happy to pay a subscription fee.
BUT I think it could very well turn out to be a site full of bands/ artists..I don't think many venues would pay a fee which in turn kind of defeats the object of the site.. putting bands and venues together..
To be fair in my experience there are a lot of landlords/ managers that don't even get to the 12 month stage in a pub, so why would they pay..The ones that do last have their established acts because they know what works.
If the site is just wanted for banter and blogs .. then I think one of the many forums or facebook could easily fill that gap.
I have been on this site for many years and was on the original site before I think there was about 8 bands on when I signed up in the first place..
Its a shame to see what it has become, but Paul worked hard for no return and no-ne can blame him for taking a step back..
Howards right though the pay site would take some setting up and I'm not sure if the inclination is there anymore... I could be wrong though !!

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 29/07/2016, 09:59 (GMT)

Good blog Mike, although it must be the 4th on this subject this year so far, lol, and the subscription amount seems to go up every time,. HeHe.
Personally I'm all for it. I don't know what pay pal is, but i'd give it a go as long as the new set up wasnt ran by up themselves humourless moderators who think their opinions are fact.
The Spammers have been f*#% off at last, that was the only problem as far as I'm concerned, although even a Neanderthal like me knows how to scroll on.
I'll put £25 in my arse pocket tomorrow at The Dogfest, if Mr NWB would like to make an appearance, hes quite welcome to it, meanwhile, I'll Google pay pal.


# Posted by Gin Pit - 29/07/2016, 10:06 (GMT)

Good value at £25

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 29/07/2016, 10:19 (GMT)

BTW, Ive met Mr NWB and know what he looks like haha.


# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 10:29 (GMT)

Great blogs here guys an all good valid information! thank you!

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 10:32 (GMT)

Come on Venues please we need you to get involved!!!

# Posted by ben murray - 29/07/2016, 10:37 (GMT)

Didnt there used to be a link on the "add a gig" page to Mr NWB's paypal account? Asking that if you'd scored this gig from NWB maybe you could donate a quid or so?

Maybe if we'd been a bit more proactive in doing that it could have eased some of the stress before it reached breaking point.

# Posted by REPEATER - 29/07/2016, 10:37 (GMT)

Repeater would be happy to pay an annual fee. :-)

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 10:50 (GMT)

@ Ben yes there still is pal have been using it myself and yes I think if we had all done that it would have made a difference! But now I think this is the only way forward. :-)

Nice one Repeater!

Thanks for both of your inputs.

# Posted by Rocket - 29/07/2016, 11:19 (GMT)

Please don't take this as negative just for the sake of it because I would love this site to stick around as much as anyone and I'm primarily a lurker, I probably start one thread a year and comment on one a month!

It's all well and good us that are using the site agreeing to pay - because we already know it's value and have had value out of it...but how do we attract any new blood? Imagine if you turned up on a forum for the first time, with no idea how useful it was, how busy it was, how it worked, etc...and before you could do anything you were asked to pay £25. Would you really just hand it over?

Or do you then look into members only areas, or a limited number of posts for non paying members, or non payers can browse but can't reply, etc etc....any of which would require even more development work than it would just to set up a pay to use site as being suggested. And I am not sure Paul has the time or inclination to do that.

Internet models that work on a subscription basis are very, very few and far between and there's a reason for that I think.

I just can't see how this is going to work in the long term...unfortunately :(

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 11:36 (GMT)

@Rocket I totally get what you are saying but at this moment in time it's just about existing
bands and venues and other people who are on the site sound engineers, recording studios etc !
As Paul has received very little money for all the hard work he's done I just want to see
who is willing to do something about it and see what he says then don't want blog
to go off on a tangent really just want to see who's up for it!

Thanks for you input!

# Posted by APRIL MOON - 29/07/2016, 11:43 (GMT)

We would be happy to pay an annual fee.

I have seen comments about a blog or facebook page taking the place of this. They wouldn't. The profile and gig guide features on here set it apart which is why I like it so much.

As for getting venues and fans to subscribe - I can understand the points being made venues perhaps not finding it worth their while to pay for a full year. This probably also goes for casual musicians who aren't doing this full time. Perhaps we could have basic accounts available for free for casual users and accounts with full profiles available to paying members where photos and videos are enabled. I don't know how to code so have no idea how complicated this would be or how much a site like this costs to run. As for moderation though, perhaps we could leave it open to subscribed members (example - subscribed members are able to approve new accounts and delete spammy posts)

# Posted by TheEdge159 - 29/07/2016, 12:18 (GMT)


Why doesnt Mr NWB just give it to someone to run, if he doesnt want to do it, give it to someone who would.

This site is great but we seem to be getting nowhere with this.

Give it to someone to run, let them take donations from all us users???

# Posted by Fanny Oakley - 29/07/2016, 12:21 (GMT)

April moon .. i bet if we checked out all the venues listed on here and their gig list... Most of the bands would also be listed here, and not by coincidence - i think a lot of venues that use and support the site would happily pay a subscription fee, after all where else would they go to fill that last minute cancellation? Haha


# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 12:24 (GMT)

Thanks for your Input April Moon That is also why I would love to save this site it is way
better than it's rivals! especially for this purpose.

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 12:25 (GMT)

@ Kazza I was speaking to a venue the other day that doesn't have an account on here and
she said she would be happy to pay a subscription charge :)

# Posted by THE STAN'S - 29/07/2016, 12:27 (GMT)

Hi Mike

It's been suggested about an annual fee before but I guess it's up to Paul...

I've always paid a £1 each time I've got a gig off here via PayPal.

Good luck & hope your fingers ok xx

Speak soon Donna

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 12:32 (GMT)

@Zero Gravity I think the only reason he doesn't want to do it is because he
has made nothing out of it other than it's a great site, I think he would be more than willing
to keep it going and do the necessary work if he got something out of it!

So just want to see how many people are willing like yourself so he can see it is a worthwhile
venture that's all and if it's not at least we tried to do something.

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 12:35 (GMT)

Well done Donna that's great if we had all done that I think
we would be looking at a different scenario!

# Posted by JUICY - 29/07/2016, 13:16 (GMT)

In principle that sounds good Donna,but if everyone were to voluntarily pay that for each gig, bands like Wizdom and Night Train would be paying a significant amount more than others.
(Apologies to anyone else who does as many gigs but they were the most prolific bands which immediately came to mind).
To me a fixed yearly sum of around £15 (based on one gig a month @ £1 per gig + Christmas and NYE gigs) would be preferable to make it equitable.


# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:22 (GMT)


Thanks for your input juicy much appreciated!

# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 29/07/2016, 13:25 (GMT)

I'm with Zero Gravity on this one.
Money is not the solution if Paul hasn't got the time to administer the site and firefight it.
We've been on here almost from the beginning and I can remember years back that when Paul went self-employed a lot of the future plans went on the back burner as he said he wouldn't have the time.
He has a living to make and whilst it is to the detriment of NWB, he seems to be quite successful.
Maybe he is prepared to sell the Domain Name and someone could then look to re-build it.

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:27 (GMT)

@Rumble Fat Band

That's fair enough! thanks for your comment. appreciated.

# Posted by Nicola - 29/07/2016, 13:29 (GMT)

As 2 ex venues ... and probably another venue by the end of the year .. Yes I would be more than happy to pay a subscription fee. £25/30 a year is a small price to pay!

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:34 (GMT)

@ Nicola

Excellent just what i have been waiting to hear thank you Nicola

# Posted by TEX & THE HARDCORE TROUBAD... - 29/07/2016, 13:38 (GMT)

yup, I will throw my hat in ;-)

# Posted by TheEdge159 - 29/07/2016, 13:39 (GMT)

Can we get a definitive answer from Paul, will he run the site if he gets paid or does he simply want out....then we know where we are?

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:42 (GMT)

.@ Gin Pit sorry didn't see your comment thanks for your Input appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:43 (GMT)

@ Tex thanks for your Input apreciated.

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 13:44 (GMT)

@ Gravity

All I can say at the moment is this blog is for a reason it's not just a waste of time! :-)

# Posted by JUICY - 29/07/2016, 13:47 (GMT)

Nice to see that Nic is still in the running and has hinted at possibly a new venue.
PS Can I have first dibs on gigs Nic?

Juice ;-)

# Posted by TheEdge159 - 29/07/2016, 13:59 (GMT)

@Wizdom - if any help or monitoring of the site is needed, count me in. I come here every day of my life :-)

# Posted by 5th Element - 29/07/2016, 14:13 (GMT)

I think I can speak for all of us in 5th Element when I say that we'd all happily pay a subscription fee :-) This is a great site and it would be really sad to lose it!

Ann x

# Posted by NIGHT TRAIN - 29/07/2016, 14:13 (GMT)

I agree with James Luke...charge £25 for bands...but have venues able to sign up for free...dont wanna scare them away. If I was running a pub, last thing I'd be bothered with is paying a subscription to here.
Having said that, there aren't that many venues actively contribute to this site other than the occasional ;band wanted tonight' post

# Posted by Nicola - 29/07/2016, 14:13 (GMT)

Juice .... you know I love you! X

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 14:27 (GMT)

@ Night Train

Thanks for your Input Alec Appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 14:28 (GMT)

@ Ann thanks for your comment appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 14:36 (GMT)

@ Dan Evans sorry I missed you thank you for your comment appreciated.

# Posted by Monkeymen - 29/07/2016, 15:15 (GMT)

£25 to £30 seems reasonable

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 15:27 (GMT)

Thank you Deetee much appreciated

# Posted by GEORGIA BROWNS - 29/07/2016, 17:05 (GMT)

@Rocket. Surely the "new members" issue could be solved by giving them 3 month's free to find out what the site is about. If after 3 month's they don't pay then zap..... James I understand where you are coming from ie venues but surely it would be in their best interests to have full access to the site. Ten minutes at any given time on here tells you (in most cases) who is available and who isn't and can save many hours of phone calls to try to book a "late replacement" or even just a diary filler. It also lets other venues know where to go to see any act they may be thinking of booking (those that have such inclinations) and gives the venue an idea through their set list as to suitability.

£25.00 Bargain if you ask me.


# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 17:31 (GMT)

@ Gary Thank you for your input much appreciated!

# Posted by Black Thursday - 29/07/2016, 17:34 (GMT)

Yes, yes, yes, yes !!!

Would be one of the best £25 ever spent

# Posted by Wizdom - 29/07/2016, 17:39 (GMT)

@ Black Thursday Thank you for you comment I agree much appreciated!

# Posted by Laser Monkeys - 29/07/2016, 19:58 (GMT)

I'd be happy to pay a £25 subscription fee. Perhaps those who dont contribute but merely browse should be allowed to do so but 'full membership' required to contribute or post a blog or send/recieve messages? :)


# Posted by Mark L - 29/07/2016, 21:53 (GMT)

I believe the reason Paul is pulling the plug is to save his sanity. No amount of money could do that

# Posted by Dan Evans - 30/07/2016, 09:38 (GMT)

To extemporize a little:I know the fee is not the issue per se? and I am not sure if Mr NWB is still interested in maintaining the site or whether anyone else can step in?
My feeling is that a lot of us have secured work from this site and it is very important to keep this and and NW Musicians going. The net is the way to go and this is better than most sites I have seen around the country that do charge a fee for; (to be honest), F&*% all, think Band Mix etc.
Maybe we can make the fee for venues just £15 as they will hopefully supply us work so if they pay we can pay etc?
I am a solo and happy to pay the same fee as bands to help NWB continue its all about us working together to achieve something just like working in a band.

# Posted by Poundstone - 30/07/2016, 12:28 (GMT)

I generally keep my thoughts to myself on things like this but I think you're all missing the point. Mr NWB has clearly come to a stage in his life where he feels he can't put the time and effort in required to do the site justice. He's already alluded to this in other blogs, and if even if every single account chucked up 50 quid a year (which would be great value at less than a quid a week) I don't think it would be enough to change his decision. This site has been a godsend for a lot of bands, us included, and a great resource for buying/selling, swapping info and scoring gogs/filling dates for venues. But the end is nigh and I think we just need to respect the gaffer's decision and deal with it by moving on.

Not trying to stir the pot by the way, not my style. Just throwing it out there


# Posted by Wizdom - 30/07/2016, 13:22 (GMT)

@ Laser Monkeys, Mark L, Dan Evans and Poundstone thank you for your comments

# Posted by Alfie Ibbotsons Popular Beat C... - 31/07/2016, 12:41 (GMT)

Bands pay . Venues free. I'm ok with that.......maybe if you want to post (venues excluded) then you have to pay.a yearly subscription? Unfair on non band people but if it helps with the admin and keeping spam out then so be it. Tony.

# Posted by Alfie Ibbotsons Popular Beat C... - 31/07/2016, 12:43 (GMT)

Maybe a lower rate for non band members/musicians. Ie punters/promoters pay £10 a year?

# Posted by Wizdom - 31/07/2016, 13:00 (GMT)

Thank you for your comment Alfie appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 02:01 (GMT)

Please can we keep the blog on track! I was just asking people if they would be willing to
pay a subscription to keep this site going? I am hoping once the weekend is out of the way maybe
some venues will give some positive feedback a couple have , but it would be great to see
more commenting!

# Posted by Asa - 01/08/2016, 11:40 (GMT)

Not sure how my comments could be construed as going off track, especially when they echo other peoples comments.

You can talk about subscriptions until you're blue in the face, but if Paul wants to shut it down maybe it's time to stop giving people false hope and focus your energy on making sure that everyone contributing to NWB moves to a alternative resource (wherever that may be).

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 15:32 (GMT)

Need some Venues to get involved here please!

# Posted by SHOTGLASS - 01/08/2016, 15:33 (GMT)

Hi SHOTGLASS here 5 piece Blackpool based classic rock/blues band would willingly pay £25 per annum. Please keep me informed. John 07860 257599 jscarlett@sky.com

Good luck guys!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 18:15 (GMT)

@ Shotglass Thank you for your Input will do guys!

# Posted by Midlife - 01/08/2016, 20:06 (GMT)

Hi Midlife here, we'd be happy to pay the £25 subs, great idea if it keeps the site going.

Keep us up to speed with this.

Great idea Mike.

Rick - Midlife

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 20:21 (GMT)

@ Rick - Midlife thanks for your input will do!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 20:57 (GMT)

Like I said earlier Ian i haven't put this blog on for nothing I just really want people to give me a Yeah
to subcription charges so we can see how many! because if it's a no you don't really need to comment!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 21:04 (GMT)

.You in my comment was meaning anyone who doesn't want to pay which is fair enough!

# Posted by Tony @ Interfuture - 01/08/2016, 21:46 (GMT)

Yes.. On behalf of both Interfuture & The Reform


# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 21:48 (GMT)

@ Tony thank you for your input appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 22:55 (GMT)

The Band The Sinners have just messaged me and they are willing to pay subscription
to use the site and are pleased we are trying to save it!

Thank you Sandi for you Input!

# Posted by THE ROB MARTIN BAND - 01/08/2016, 23:40 (GMT)

Hi Mike
We're getting good feedback which is fantastic when do we start discussing plan B ? As people have mentioned it's more a life choice for Mr NWB so it has to be somebody else or a consortium of some kind so are we talking buy site to be owned by the members or any other. Ideas ? I might not be totally correct in this thinking but sooner or later we're going to have to start doing some plain talking if this is going to progress ? It's all well and good us all not wanting to lose the site but sooner or later it's going to come down to cash. How much over how long and when This is good let's keep it moving

# Posted by Stone Mile - 01/08/2016, 23:50 (GMT)

Happy to pay £25 per annum subs. Hope we can save it. Such a good site (except the spam)


# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 23:50 (GMT)

Just gonna let it run this week Rob and then I will hopefully have some news!

# Posted by Wizdom - 01/08/2016, 23:51 (GMT)

@Stone Mile thank you guys much appreciated I hope we can too!

# Posted by contraband - 02/08/2016, 12:12 (GMT)

Contraband more than happy to pony up £25+ or whatever the required amount may be. Aside from our own purposes, we've also been able to help other bands get gigs when venues have been struggling to fill dates. The site is a great resource for finding out who's available.

# Posted by Wizdom - 02/08/2016, 12:25 (GMT)

@ Contraband Thanks for your comment appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 02/08/2016, 12:51 (GMT)

Karen Landlady of Bar One Ten Tyldesley Says she would be happy to pay the fee to
Join this site just spoken to her now!

# Posted by Sky Tigers - 02/08/2016, 14:03 (GMT)


I in principle am happy to pay a membership fee, but along with that comes:_

Access, is anyone allowed to see posts & post themselves if not a paid up member, as those paying membership fee would want to see some advantage to being a paying member.

Upgrading & maintaining the site, as for different levels of membership, free, paid, etc, having a payment module in there.

Administration & Moderation, I myself am a moderator on a couple of int car forums, (voluntary ) it takes a surprising amount of time to sort out the obligatory shout gobby big tools, that tend raise their heads on occasions, filtering spam, monitoring the site for abuse etc.

I would gladly volunteer for said moderation to help anything for my hobbies etc, a busy site would need at least 6 to 12 people acting as moderators, to weed out the spam etc

To do this right as with the car clubs register as a business, or unincorporated association, with a chairman, administrators, Mods etc.

Its a good idea, there's the base the question of how far how big, how much further would everyone like it to be?

Anyway just a few thoughts of the top of my head

regards Brian

# Posted by Wizdom - 02/08/2016, 14:27 (GMT)

@ Station Yard Thank you for your input appreciated! Initially we just need to know who's in
and all the other stuff can get sorted later.

# Posted by Recycled Teenagers - 02/08/2016, 22:37 (GMT)

I was discussing things with Paul a couple of weeks ago but didn't really go into my own concept of how I would run subs.

As James Luke said, you don't want this to be a site full of bands and artists so this is how I would suggest it work.

1. Anyone is free to join the site and post blogs

2. Paying a subscription would allow you to post in the gig guide.

3. Private messages are also turned off to people without a sub

I think the site also needs active moderators...

I think that's the only way to keep the site thriving and get it to pay for itself. As for the level of subscription, Paul would need to crunch the numbers and make that call...

# Posted by Wizdom - 02/08/2016, 22:47 (GMT)

@Recycled Teenagers Thanks for your input appreciated but lets just see who's on board and then
if it's viable we can sort all this out after!



# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 00:09 (GMT)

Added a bit of info at top of blog just so I can keep it to the purpose I posted it for
thanks for all your Input!

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 00:15 (GMT)

No what happened was I was ask to change the wording and up until that point it was in the hot
posts but I forgot if you alter and re post it treats it like a new post in that it wipes out the number of
comments you have which is a bummer because it is now invisible where as it was still doing good with being in the hot posts section!

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 01:01 (GMT)

Ha ha you know I'm not into that tell once it's served it's purpose it will be deleted!

# Posted by Stonehouse - 03/08/2016, 05:04 (GMT)

Yes would certainly support the 25 quid a year subscription for bands, Venues should be free, Punters a fiver maybe and any'agents' around the 500 pound mark.

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 07:27 (GMT)

@Stonehouse thanks for your comment Appreciated.

# Posted by THE STANCE - 03/08/2016, 08:36 (GMT)

I think we would be willing to pay 25.



# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 08:58 (GMT)

@ The Stance thank you for your comment appreciated!

# Posted by HARD TO HANDLE - 03/08/2016, 11:20 (GMT)


# Posted by JUICY - 03/08/2016, 12:50 (GMT)

^ Are they a Tribute band to " Mean to Mozart" ?

- sorry,couldn't resist.


# Posted by Bulletproof - 03/08/2016, 13:01 (GMT)

I think my band would be willing to contribute to a subscription.

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 13:58 (GMT)

@ Bulletproof thank you for your post appreciated!

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 14:15 (GMT)

@ Hard To Handle not Handel lol thanks for your comment Appreciated!

# Posted by THE POWER 3 - 03/08/2016, 21:23 (GMT)

Yes, without doubt.

# Posted by English Thorn - 03/08/2016, 21:56 (GMT)

English Thorn would deffo pay a yearly sub of £25. Worth it.

# Posted by Wizdom - 03/08/2016, 22:15 (GMT)

@ The Power 3 & English Thorn great guys appreciated!

# Posted by Still Stones - 04/08/2016, 13:43 (GMT)

Already said I would :-D

# Posted by Wizdom - 04/08/2016, 13:53 (GMT)

@ Still Stones thanks for your input!

# Posted by MAXIMUM TORQUE - 04/08/2016, 17:40 (GMT)


# Posted by Wizdom - 04/08/2016, 17:48 (GMT)

@ Maximum Torque Thank you appreciated!

# Posted by Alfie Ibbotsons Popular Beat C... - 04/08/2016, 19:45 (GMT)

I think to keep out spam only those who contribute financially should actually contribute to a thread or start a thread. This would leave the site free to use for those who follow the gig guide or just want to peep. ..... A sliding scale for venues, bands , agents, punters/ onlookers.... If they post

# Posted by Morocco - 05/08/2016, 17:31 (GMT)

Hi Mike,
Sorry I'm late in responding - yes, we would in principle be willing to pay a subscription, if we get the existing NWB setup (minus spammers). We wouldn't be interest in paying to join a musicians only forum, however. Hope you can pull this off,

# Posted by Wizdom - 06/08/2016, 04:59 (GMT)

@ Morocco Thank you Appreciated!

# Posted by Mr Cottonhouse - 07/08/2016, 09:14 (GMT)

For once I will sit on he fence on this one. Personally I use this site mainly for community chat. I have met a lot of friends because of interacting with people on this site. In terms of gigs gained... There have been very few which I put down to the alternative musical paths that I choose to explore. I come under the BAND, FAN and VENUE categories but have never used the site as a main vehicle for getting gigs. Would a subscription fee exclude people like myself? I usually have an opinion which often draws attention to an overlooked point. Some people appreciate this and some don't. I have met some great people and occasionally some 'knuckle draggers' as Howard rightly pointed out...as he so often does! Therefore a site which is only geared towards the pub band scene would perhaps lose appeal after a short while...because as an alternative point of view would eventually be tiresome because of its irrelevance.
I must say that the good people from NWB far outweigh the knob heads.

# Posted by Mister P - 07/08/2016, 20:14 (GMT)

I know you said just a yes or no but can't see any answer being as simple as that. In respect of £25, it has to be a no. Unless of course you are a pro/semi pro act picking many gigs up from here and doing it for a living or part of, in which case, it's a steal at that money. However way to many "knuckle draggers" as Mr Cottonhouse and HS&L so diplomatically put it and moderation is non existent.

My new band is in rehearsal at the moment but hopefully when ready my gigs will be only one or two a month at most but I'd still be up for some kind of payment scheme. The "pay as you go" to advertise items for sale, post gigs, add a new profile etc seems an interesting avenue to explore. Difficult to administer of course.

Can't help thinking though, that as good as resource as this is, it's perhaps it's ran it's course. This blog has been running for over a week ( and been put back up a few times to keep it in the spotlight, and half the posts have been from Wisdom, saying "thanks, your input is appreciated.". Doesn't really spell a real clamour to put the £'s in to save it for me, but full marks to the Wisdom guys for the drive and effort to keep it alive. Mister P.

# Posted by Jeepster Gaz ( RailerMania ) - 07/08/2016, 22:02 (GMT)

£25, £35, £45 what ever................whats the point of this blog ?..........................Is it going to make Paul keep it running ?
I would gladly pay £5 maybe even £10 per month for this site if it was worthwhile with no Spam and it gave me something.........I used to post all the time on here and to be honest, granted, a lot of it was just shit. In fact 90% was shit ha ha ha ha....
I will admit that at one time I was a CRP Point junkie..( who else will admit it ? ) but.. You grow and get wiser and that's why I deleted all my previous blogs and i'm still on the first page of the glorious CRP points.....FFS... If it goes it goes just deal with it..............If it stays, great we have all got a form of communication on where we are playing next Saturday night !

I have never advertised for a gig on here when I was in OTR and I havnt advertised for one since iv been in RailerMania.We always have a full diary though..

That doesnt mean I havnt benefited from NWB. I often use NWB for a couple of venues I work with looking for bands.............They are struggling venues that are giving it a go and I have convinced them not to book cheep and cheerful bands as they thought that was the right way to go...... Iv only booked good, hard working bands from NWB ( you know who you are ) at these venues because they have a more pro attitude to the scene and put on a good show......So it is worth it just for that as far as Im concerned.

Paul, keep it going and put a charge on it of £5 to £10 per month, or, £1 per week even and sort the men out from the boys, or, a £100 per year subscription... That to me is fair ! If not, hand it over or sell it to someone who thinks they can make a go of it...............I'll gladly pay, can we just get on with it please ????


# Posted by Wizdom - 08/08/2016, 00:26 (GMT)

@ Mr CottenHouse, Mr P and Gaz thanks for your comments! I will hopefully be back with some news very soon!

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 08/08/2016, 08:39 (GMT)

I keep reading about so called knuckle draggers, just who the fuck are they? Could they be the arseholing self righteous 'look how much I know' bastards on here? Let's hope any new Nwb includes a filter for long winded pretentious bores.


# Posted by Asa - 08/08/2016, 09:58 (GMT)


# Posted by Mr Cottonhouse - 08/08/2016, 11:29 (GMT)

Haha, no Tel, a knuckle dragger is someone who after a few beers type comments like "all Muslims should be wiped off the face of the earth" - only to delete that comment when the beer has worn off. That's not banter and makes us all look 'backward' in the eyes of anyone browsing the site. If that's the community that they want then I will instantly distance myself, my family, any of my music projects and Number 39 from it. I have admittedly picked out the very worst example of 'knobhead alert' on NWB. Banter and people falling out with humorous digs at each other is healthy but if I want knuckle draggers then I will visit Chav West Bands instead.

# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 08/08/2016, 11:47 (GMT)

I am with Gary Cottonhouse on this one. Have used the site mainly for the community chat that was the mainstay of NWB when it started and doesn't exist any more.
If it goes to a paid forum status, I guess that will mean someone will need to form a company and administer it as a business?
This is what happened with BassChat when they started charging for For Sale ads.

# Posted by JUICY - 08/08/2016, 12:24 (GMT)

@ Gary C.Thouse,
Can you put a link on for Chav West Bands please?


# Posted by Mr Cottonhouse - 08/08/2016, 13:19 (GMT)


# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 08/08/2016, 16:25 (GMT)

Ey up Mike, I've inadvertantly got you in the Community Gold. Don't mention it.
I dub thee SIR WIZ.


# Posted by Wizdom - 08/08/2016, 16:50 (GMT)

Ha ha Cheers Tel back on the front page again! :0)

# Posted by mr.nwb - 09/08/2016, 13:23 (GMT)

*Easter Egg Spoiler*

I've put aside some speculative personal funding (of my own)

- New site Jan-Mar 2017

- They'll be a "lite" FREE version and a "Premium Member" version for anyone who simply wants to donate to the running of the site, or to take advantage of the "extra functionality".

- Premium rate is likely to be around £25 for bands - and a bit more for Venues.

# Posted by ThatDawnOne - 09/08/2016, 16:47 (GMT)

This sounds like excellent news :)

# Posted by Wizdom - 09/08/2016, 17:01 (GMT)

Thank you Paul Just the news I have been waiting for Cheers pal

Did you hear that! Told you I hadn't put this on for nothing. :)

# Posted by The Kerbcrawlers - 09/08/2016, 19:12 (GMT)

Extremely pleased to hear this, Mike / Mr NWB.

Is there a way to allow any new registrations in the meantime? Happy to help with any admin.

I will make a decision on www.nwmusicians.co.uk around the time the new site is due to launch.

# Posted by Wizdom - 10/08/2016, 06:26 (GMT)

Come and look at the great news! Read the above blog of Mr NWB :)

# Posted by mr.nwb - 10/08/2016, 11:50 (GMT)

NWB.next won't have a forum, and will have a much simpler and back to basics approach. Bands, gig guide, and venues.

Can't accept any new registrations as I need to lock down data to migrate stuff across, as I'll be working on the new site intermittently for the next few months.

Got an achievable plan in place, and will be looking for Guinea pigs soon :)

# Posted by Wizdom - 10/08/2016, 12:13 (GMT)

If I can be of help just ask

# Posted by The Kerbcrawlers - 10/08/2016, 15:29 (GMT)

Paul. Does that mean that this community blog section will not be there?

# Posted by Wizdom - 10/08/2016, 17:58 (GMT)

I think that's what he's saying Ian

# Posted by mr.nwb - 10/08/2016, 19:40 (GMT)

It wont be part of the "CORE" infrastructure, per say. The main remit, will be to have a profiles for bands, gig listings, and venue listings.

I'll post up some of the ideas for the direction in an upcoming blog.


# Posted by Wizdom - 10/08/2016, 23:28 (GMT)

Sounding good looking forward to hearing the Ideas!

# Posted by The Kerbcrawlers - 11/08/2016, 10:40 (GMT)

I would hope that private messaging would be there for subscribers, to enable private contact between venues and bands - the core function of NWB.

The Blog:
In the case of last minute letdowns or cancellations, the blog has been vital, so bands and venues can sort themselves out for the evening. Maybe it would be worth having a couple of narrow blog categories to allow musicians to seek bands and vice versa and venues to let bands know they are there and have open dates. I think that's what people may be expecting to pay for.

# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 11:38 (GMT)

It would be better to have a band available category so venues can see clearly at a glance who's available that day.

# Posted by mr.nwb - 11/08/2016, 12:05 (GMT)

Here's my proposal...

- Single Sign Up
- Can Create a single “band”
- Can Create a simple band profile
- Can List Gigs
- Can only read and comment on “Main” news articles (preventing free account holders from sabotaging the NWB Blog with gig/spam ads)
- Users can leave reviews on other bands pages
- Inbox limited to 30 private messages

NWB + (£ PAID)
- Single Sign up
- Can Create/Manage Multi bands (max 3). E.g. be in more than 1 band, or change band
- Can Upload Photos
- Full band profiles
- Can create a profile for each band
- Can List Gigs
- Users can Leave reviews, and reviews can be responded to
- Full access to the NWB Blog
- Access/View/Contribute, to “Sell/Buy” Section
- Access/View/Contribute, to “Trades Page”
- Access/View/Contribute, to “Band Member needed/Wanted”
- Access/View/Contribute, to “Bands Available”
- Inbox ltd to 100 private messages
- Can view "sent items"
- Get CRP points

They'll also be “one off” upgrade options to be featured on the homepage, or to have a “spot ad” on the site. These could be about £10-£20 per month.

Also, we will be reverting back to www.northwestbands.co.uk (but still keeping nwb.co, as it's handy for URL shortening)

# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 12:59 (GMT)

Is the paid section including venues or is that a separate issue?

Count me in!

# Posted by JUICY - 11/08/2016, 13:04 (GMT)

Why have CRPs - what possible benefit will they achieve?

Apart from that useless bit, everything else seems reasonable and I will be joining if only to see paid for spats to break out in the traditional way.

Juice (Live on Stage in Concert - Classic! )

# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 13:34 (GMT)

The only benefit of those points I can see is! It makes it easier to see who is active and who's
not from a site usage point of view? Maybe easier to see who's a paid member and who isn't?

# Posted by JUICY - 11/08/2016, 15:14 (GMT)

Easier for whom exactly?
Why would any member be arsed about who has got more points than anybody else?
Personally,knowing who else is a paid member or not will have no bearing on my use of the site.
CRPs are and have always been,spurious nonsense.

JUICE ( currently in Gold Medal position in Rio,but will be nipping back home at the weekend to play at The King's Arms in Clitheroe)

# Posted by The Kerbcrawlers - 11/08/2016, 16:45 (GMT)

I would say maybe... NWB LITE (£ FREE)
- Single Sign Up
- Can read the pages
- Can Create a simple 'fan' profile - not a band profile.
- Can only read and comment on “Main” news articles (preventing free account holders from sabotaging the NWB Blog with gig/spam ads)
- Users can leave reviews on other bands pages

I would not give them gig listing rights, as why would anyone then pay?
Also the free entry doesn't deter spammers.

I would think carefully about the level of the fee for venues (maybe a token £10 fee), as they are stuck with budgets and there will be some resistance from some of the venues who think they are doing bands a favour anyway (no offence meant, but I hear that so often)..

I would also set a purge for anyone who has not logged in for 18 months to be deleted from the page. Anybody who pays will use it regularly. Mind you. renewals will also deal with that issue.

I don't think anybody is that interested in CRP's.

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 11/08/2016, 18:52 (GMT)

I'm in no way trying to nitpick, indeed every credit to Mr NWB for working bloody hard to come up with a solution to keep it going.
I just need to see the real difference between paid membership and 'Lite' non payers.
So let's get this right.

Lite non payers..Get single band sign up
Can list gigs
Can read & comment on main news articles
Have access to the Private Messaging service
Can leave reviews on other band pages

Paying members..Get single band sign up
Can list gigs
Can read & comment on main news articles
Have access to the Private Messaging service
Can leave reviews on other band pages
Get CRP points and can put pics on.

Well that's gonna be a no-brainer for 90% of folk on here don't you think?


# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 19:23 (GMT)

@ Juicy I was referring to the admin side of things!

# Posted by JUICY - 11/08/2016, 19:51 (GMT)

@ Wizdom,Yes I know.
My reply wasn't very clear tbh. but still the points are useless to anyone other than Admin and I fail to see why they should be visible to everyone else.

Juice (the name of the band is JUICY)

# Posted by Jump the Shark (Andy) - 11/08/2016, 21:19 (GMT)

Good news! Been around here a long time and would be sad to see the place gather dust. Thanks for the hard work Mr NWB :)

There is one thing with the main proposal as it stands that I don't get and that's the reviewing permissions. If I'm understanding it right a free profile person can review us but no-one can respond? I (as a paid account) could only respond if they were a paid account too, regardless of what they said? Seems a bit odd to me.

I think the free profile proposal does get a bit too much 'write' permission. I'd go for:

- Can see gig guide and band profiles.

- Single Sign Up
- Can Create a single “band”
- Can Create a simple band profile
- Can only read and comment on “Main” news articles (preventing free account holders from sabotaging the NWB Blog with gig/spam ads)

NWB + (£ PAID)
The rest (except CRP points, never really bothered with those).


# Posted by THE ROB MARTIN BAND - 11/08/2016, 22:08 (GMT)

I'm up for a paid membership I don't. Want to see this site go down. Long as the paid up members get a gold service and non paid get a silver service I'm honestly not arsed too much what the difference is .I'm even up for some ads. Nobody should work for nowt we are always banging on about that on these pages so come on guys poppy up. 25 quid Ffs it's the price of a few drinks

# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 23:16 (GMT)

@ Juicy I agree doesn't really serve a purpose

# Posted by Wizdom - 11/08/2016, 23:18 (GMT)

@Rob totally agree I just so glad Paul has finally decided to keep it going!

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 12/08/2016, 08:12 (GMT)

Just playing Devil's Advocate Rob, obviously £25 is f#%+ all, but surely Mr NWB would like as many paying members as possible.
How many are gonna say, stuff that, I ain't paying £25 just to put an amplifier for sale once every 20 years?
Surely you agree it's best to go down every rabbit hole before the change over?


# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 12/08/2016, 11:56 (GMT)

Might be an idea to get Paul to remove the "Closing" blog that is pinned to the first page as it is a bit pointless if the site ain't going. Maybe replace it with a plan and progress blog.

# Posted by Rumble Fat Band - 12/08/2016, 12:06 (GMT)

Carrying on from Tel's Devil's Advocate comment.
Will venues really be interested in paying to access the site?
With the exception of a couple of venues most only ever come on to advertise a cancellation they need filling at short notice.
They can easily do that throught any of the Facebook sites that now exist and for free.

# Posted by Asa - 12/08/2016, 12:10 (GMT)


# Posted by mr.nwb - 12/08/2016, 12:44 (GMT)

Official "update" and response coming soon.

Venues will work slightly differently - and yes they will have to pay. Afterall, they are a business, and can write off advertising as an expense.

I'd be cautious of a venue not willing to spend more than £10 per annum on its advertisement budget for bands :D

# Posted by Wizdom - 12/08/2016, 13:39 (GMT)

It's worth their £25 how quick they manage to get a band on here last minute!
In my opinion.

# Posted by GEORGIA BROWNS - 12/08/2016, 17:34 (GMT)

@mr nwb. Not quite as simple as that for venues Paul. Most venues are now run by number crunchers who keep a very tight rein on budgets. Personally if my company won't cough up £25.00 (which I think they will) then I will pay it myself but some will be of the opinion that the bands need the venues more than vice versa. Just an observation NOT an opinion.


# Posted by Alfie Ibbotsons Popular Beat C... - 12/08/2016, 18:02 (GMT)

Fantastic news....... Just let me know when to pay! :-)

# Posted by mr.nwb - 12/08/2016, 18:48 (GMT)

£25 per annum, for a venue. Thats about £2.10 per month - Doubt I could get a pint for that :-)

Typical landlords :D

# Posted by ex The Rising Sun - 12/08/2016, 22:58 (GMT)

As a venue I would be willing to pay an annual subscription fee, £25 sounds fine to me but is about the limit for the current site as it doesn't really work as a advertising site for venues.

I can only speak from my own experience and usage of this site but there are a lot of features on here that are of little or no use to me in the current format but could be great if looked at more from the venue side (and therefore I would pay more)

As far as the gig guide is concerned, I haven't used it for a long time, I understand that people who follow a specific band, may well look at the bands gig list so they can see where they are playing,

However as a pub venue most of my customers are from within a few miles of the pub.
Therefore people are more likely to visit the pub website / facebook page or a more local what's on guide.

As things are I currently update my own site, facebook and two Stockport gig guides. There is a limit to the number of times you want to enter data online. If there was a sister sight 'Northwest Gigs where people could find local venues by postcode etc then it would be a different matter entirely and a charge of around £20 a month or more wouldn't be out of the question especially if it linked to the bands profiles, demos etc.

As a number of you stated above, as a venue in general I only use the forums to be able to shout 'Help I've been let down and need a band' The only reason I saw this blog is because I need a band for this weekend ;-)

Other than that I really only use the personal message feature to keep in touch with bands I book on a regular(ish) basis. I rarely hunt for new bands on here, as a known venue I get around 3 visits or phone calls per week from people wanting to play in the pub.

As for a pint for £2.10, you must be joking unless you are talking about a lemonade :)


# Posted by ex The Rising Sun - 13/08/2016, 03:38 (GMT)

Sorry for the long winded post above, what I was trying to say (and failed) is that if you want venues to pay subs they will do as long as the site is advertising to people who will visit the gigs and spend money. Get that right and the venues could pay for the sites upkeep on their own.
I have searched the blogs for mentions of my own venue and other than it making me happy good bands enjoy playing here it makes me realise that even when bands are posting about upcoming gigs they are mainly talking to other bands. eg 'If your not gigging yourselves come down and see us'
I would be really interested in the stats as to how many people visit the site who are purely fans of live music rather than a band or venue themselves.

# Posted by Jump the Shark (Andy) - 13/08/2016, 08:37 (GMT)

The idea of a gig map that's filterable by date and postcode is great. Don't know how feasible it is but it would be fantastic, especially if the icons on the map linked straight to band and venue profiles.


# Posted by JUICY - 13/08/2016, 11:08 (GMT)

After sifting through all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the closure/non-closure of the site, The Rising Sun's idea is very refreshing.
I concur with Jump the Shark (Andy) on this.
If anyone is not gigging tonight,come down and see us at The King's Arms Clitheroe.

Juice of JUICY ( currently in Tin medal postion at the Cleethorpes and district 3 legged race Olympics)

# Posted by Wizdom - 13/08/2016, 13:21 (GMT)

@ Rising Sun I have talked to quite a few people who say they use NWB
as a reference to what bands are on and where, a couple at our gig last night
only knew we were on because of NWB.


# Posted by GEORGIA BROWNS - 13/08/2016, 15:35 (GMT)

@Wisdom. I only knew you were at the Bowling Green last night thru the gig guide. Then again I know where most bands are week in week out because I check it every week :-).

Great first set btw.


# Posted by Wizdom - 13/08/2016, 16:10 (GMT)

Thank you Gary! I was looking over thinking I know that guy over there you should
have come over, thanks for that feedback much appreciated,
There was a bit of a lull then it busied right up again was good night really enjoyed it
thanks for coming down pal.


Mike. Ex - Pleasers :-)

# Posted by The Kerbcrawlers - 13/08/2016, 18:59 (GMT)

I am wary of free accounts being able to post, but that is only because that is how the site became over-run with spam.
Looking forward to seeing what is finally proposed.

# Posted by Wizdom - 14/08/2016, 15:21 (GMT)

Mrs has come up with an Idea somewhere where Venues can contact immediately
when they have changed Landlords/ladies to leave message if they need to cancel
bands, rather than it being in amongst the other blogs!
Also just thought of something else any update on contact details they can leave those there?

# Posted by mr.nwb - 15/08/2016, 16:56 (GMT)

I think some venues forget about NWB's presence/pull from GOOGLE.

Your venue pages RANK very highly.

I did a search for "REM Tribute band playing in Eccleston", and a NWB venue profile page popped up on page 1.

Venues/Bands, forget about how difficult it is to rank for certain keywords e.t.c - Having a Presense in NWB is a well worthwhile investment.

# Posted by Wizdom - 15/08/2016, 17:40 (GMT)

Definitely Paul Best site on the net in my opinion!

# Posted by Dean (Drummer) - 15/08/2016, 22:25 (GMT)

Good to hear NWB's going to be redeveloped.

Presumably the new site will be responsive? (mobile friendly)

Happy to support whatever comes of it.


# Posted by Wizdom - 15/08/2016, 22:30 (GMT)

Come one Venues get on board and support the site you will be lost without it
less than a pint of your own beer to subscribe!

# Posted by Wizdom - 15/08/2016, 22:33 (GMT)

Nice one Dean thanks for your comment!

# Posted by Wizdom - 15/08/2016, 22:39 (GMT)

Less than a pint per month that is excellent value how quick we can all fill dates
don't you recon!

# Posted by THE ROB MARTIN BAND - 15/08/2016, 23:56 (GMT)

I think for venues it could be an Idea to offer them something in the way of extra value for their 25 by way of promo material
They all have Prs stickers on the doors etc , why not a window sticker This venue is NWB official sponsor
Or even an NWB approved venue . A generic NWB gig poster.
Let's all have the Logo and add NWB Member to our material
If we make NWB into a brand that people recognise and get more public to visit the gig guide everyone benefits. There could be all kinds if NWB merchandise tee shirts key rings hats car stickers like
I'm with NWB or whatever? I can be accused of going over the top but thought through properly there could be something there Does anyone have anymore ideas ??

# Posted by Wizdom - 16/08/2016, 07:18 (GMT)

Hi Rob yes that's quite a good idea with the branding
Paul is keeping an eye on here so will see what he thinks.
Appreciate your input.

# Posted by THE STORIES ,The very best! of... - 17/08/2016, 13:33 (GMT)

Brilliant news ! We'll be paying :)

# Posted by Wizdom - 17/08/2016, 14:47 (GMT)

Nice one Andy glad you're up for it!

# Posted by 4 Strings - 17/08/2016, 16:56 (GMT)

There was a comment earlier regarding duplicating postings, post on NWB, then having to post on Facebook the same information.

If, and I appreciate it may be a big ball up a big hill, when posting we have a 'FB' tick box NWB(v2), the post could also be sent to the users Facebook status. I’m on Reverbnation, when logged in and I update my Reverbnation status, it is also sends same info to my status page on FB :). So, I’m only posting once and the post is appearing in both places (RN & FB). The Reverbnation account settings include the option to be associated to my FB account.

I’m sure the ‘must have’ list is going to be exhaustive and only realistic achievable’s will get thru.

£ 25 a year, defo

# Posted by Wizdom - 17/08/2016, 20:07 (GMT)

@ 4string Nice 1 good suggestion lets see what happens!

# Posted by mr.nwb - 17/08/2016, 20:46 (GMT)

Reverbnation development budget - £100K

NWB development budget - £0

# Posted by mr.nwb - 17/08/2016, 20:47 (GMT)

Responsive Site (Mobile) - Yes, major priority.

# Posted by Wizdom - 17/08/2016, 21:36 (GMT)

Lol Paul that Idea is out of the question then! I am really looking forward to the
new site Pal! :)

# Posted by Black Thursday - 17/08/2016, 22:48 (GMT)

great news about the site, best news since the invention of thermionic valve! Guess that's another blog though??

# Posted by Wizdom - 17/08/2016, 23:13 (GMT)

@Black Thursday Ha ha yes great news so pleased :-)

# Posted by ex The Rising Sun - 21/09/2016, 01:29 (GMT)

Mr NWB said...

'I think some venues forget about NWB's presence/pull from GOOGLE.

Your venue pages RANK very highly.

I did a search for "REM Tribute band playing in Eccleston", and a NWB venue profile page popped up on page 1.

Venues/Bands, forget about how difficult it is to rank for certain keywords e.t.c - Having a Presense in NWB is a well worthwhile investment.'
Mr NWB, can i please raise a couple of points with your comment above,
(Firstly though, can I openly admit I was a web designer in a previous life before the pub)

1/ Just how many people do you think would search for something a specific as "REM Tribute band playing in Eccleston" unless they had heard about it or seen advertising elsewhere?

Most customers (The people who pay both me, the staff's and at the end of the day the bands wages) are more likely to search for something like "Live Music Stockport"

for this search nwb comes up on the 8th page with the following:
North West Gig Guide | gigs : 2654 - total pages : 54 - NWB
Fri, 23/Sep, Level One Live, [Darwen], SOULvation, Soul. Fri, 23/Sep, The Red Lion, [Longton] ... Fri, 18/Nov | Jen Music 247. Chasing Crows. Sat, 18/Mar
hardly tempting people to click, even if the get down that far.

My venue however appeared at the top of page one, complete with a tag on a map for our location and a direct link to our 'bands coming soon' page

2/ I have always said this is a great site for contact between bands and venues, however I stick by my earlier post that as advertising for the venues it is not worth dipping into the budget, money can be spent better elsewhere.

I would still be happy to pay a subscription of £25-£30 a year for the easy contact with bands alone, but let's not pretend it is a great advertising tool for venues.

Hope you can work it out as it is a great site, still feel however if you can get the venues onside with better internet placement etc that venues would queue up to join and pay and you could make it free of charge for the bands.

Just my opinion


# Posted by Soul'd Out - 04/10/2016, 11:56 (GMT)

I would be happy to pay a subscription but the site would have to be modified to allow searching of venues easier from a band prospective. At the moment its a bit clunky, but if its fixed so we can see the vanues wanting bands by location or area then i'd defiantly be up for it.

# Posted by Wizdom - 04/10/2016, 16:23 (GMT)

Thanks for your Input guys Rising Sun and Soul'd out

He is definitely going to be sorting stuff out will be launching the new site
sometime in the New Year.

# Posted by Basie - 05/10/2016, 14:12 (GMT)

Yes I would pay that

# Posted by Wizdom - 05/10/2016, 17:45 (GMT)

Cheers Chris :)

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