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Posted By : Viva la Coldplay | Comments : 19

Here's one for you.....


September 1911. The RMS Olympic, sister ship of the Titanic (due to start her maiden voyage in March) had been seriously damaged in a collision with the Admiralty cruiser HMS Hawke off the Isle of Wight. An examination of the Olympic revealed the ship to be unseaworthy, and although she could be temporarily patched for a return trip to her builders in Belfast, it was clear that she was unsalvageable. Faced with ruinous costs, the White Star Line decided on a radical plan...

The below story is fictional but makes you think:

Bruce Ismay, the head of the White Star Line was worried. The Olympic, his brainchild to recapture the lucrative North Atlantic passenger trade from Cunard, had been seriously wounded. She was due into Belfast the next morning, October 6th, 1911 for "repairs". But he, and everyone else, knew that she was worthless and could never carry on her business as before.

He approached Thomas Andrews (Managing Director of Harland and Wolff, the builder) with a cunning, daring plan. Switch the Olympic with the Titanic (currently under construction), scuttle the "Titanic", have the passengers saved, claim the insurance money, and save the White Star Line from an impending financial disaster.

Ismay and Andrews had enjoyed a sumptious meal at the White Star Liner's owners palatial home: sat in his leather upholstered chair, a fat cigar protruding from the corner of his mouth, a whispy trail of smoke ensuing. Ismay swilled a glass of brandy as he asked Andrews what he thought of his plan.

Andrews stood in front of Ismay, his face white with surprise. He was simply astounded. "Don't you realise, sir, that public confidence in the White Star Line would be forever destroyed if the ship were to ram an Iceberg?"

"But Andrews," said Ismay between puffs on his cigar, "It'll be an accident. No-one will be to blame. Oh, of course the officers of the watch may face some probing for not avoiding such an accident, but I think the White Star Line will be, as we say 'off the hook'." He took a generous swig of brandy, the hint of a smile and an enquiring gaze on his face, as he waited for Andrews response.

"I think its ludicrous".

"But Andrews, its the only way. Olympic can't sail again - but we can make money out of a catastrophe."

The conversation continued thus for hours, Ismay wearing down Andrews under the condition that no lives would be lost. Ismay pledged his word.

"Alright," said Andrews, still not happy with the plan, "then its simply a matter of logistics; men, equipment, supplies to make the switch feasible."

Ismay slapped the arm of his chair, his voice rising to an excitable squeak, "That's it Andrews! What kind of things did you have in mind?"

Andrews paused for a minute or two, gazing into the warm glow of the fireplace, as his mind poured through his mental notes of the construction and out-fitting of both vessels. "Well, the obvious ones are the name plates. If we can get new plates ,the names cut in, and then switched, then that will be the first step."

"Good," Ismay said between generous puffs on his cigar, "What else?"

"I'm thinking of all the changes and differences between the ships. You recall the B deck promenade on the Olympic and how on the Titanic this would be passenger cabins?"

"Ah yes. My idea."

"Well, we've just about finished on the external and internal layout of the modifications. So, all that will need to be ripped put and transferred to the Olympic, er, I mean Titanic."

Ismay sat forward. "How hard would it be to switch these cabins?"

"I don't know," sighed Andrews, "we've never done retrofitting like this before. It might not be a big job. I imagine its all a matter of time."

"Well, I want 'Olympic' to resume her Atlantic run as scheduled for November."

"That means leaving here about November 20th to get to Southampton in time for the loading of provisions etc."

Ismay did some quick arithmetic, "Well, she dry-docked on October 11th so thats 40 days. That should be enough, surely?"

Andrews nodded, trying to placate his customer.

"You can divert some men to do the modifications? You have 15,000 men?" Ismay suggested.

"Quite true, Sir, but we are performing work on other ships for other lines, and, if you remember, we are due to be laying the keel for the Gigantic in November too?"

"Oh yes," Ismay sat back dejected, "I forgot. I could always delay the maiden voyage for the Titanic, er Olympic, from March 20th to April 10th. That gives you three weeks."

"That will help of course. A lot of that time will be used performing repairs on the Olympic/Titanic and keeping reasonably to schedule with the construction of the 'Titanic', to prevent anyone's suspicions being aroused about delays etc."

Ismay sighed. His plan was starting to come together. "So, what needs to be done to make this switch convincing?"

"As you know, Sir, the two ships differ significantly in construction, and not just B deck. For instance, the carpetting and floor tiles are different in colour. So every one of them will need to be changed to keep up this story."

"I have faith in you, Andrews" beamed Ismay.

Andrews pretended to smile. He didn't like his hard work for Ismay being belittled and abused in such a manner.
"The Turkish bath area on the starboard side of F deck is different in layout. And then theres the front of the wheelhouse. In the Olympic, its curved, but on Titanic, its flat."


"The bridge and officers quarters needs changing too. On Olympic, the wireless cabin had an outside window, but this was changed on Titanic to allow more seaward facing cabins to be included, There are quite a few other changes too." mused Andrews, his mind racing through his mental blueprints.

"Titanic's lifeboats and davits aren't due to be fitted until later on in the year, so we'll need to transfer the whole lot to the Olympic, er, Titanic"

"Splendid!" beamed Ismay, "And you'll have to change the nameplates on them of course."

"But of course," Andrews managed a sickly grin. He paused.
"I've just had a somewhat worrying thought. Just about every piece of wood on the ships we build has the builder's number written on the back to identify which ship the piece was intended for. We'll need to remove the woodwork from the ship and alter the numbering, in case anyone checks."

"All of it?" Ismay erupted "Do you know how much wood there is on the Olympic?"

Andrews did know. "It sounds arduous, but I believe its necessary. What if someone checks in decades to come? Or what if theres a major refit, or repairs are needed."

Ismay wasn't very happy. This would eat into his schedule significantly.

An uncomfortable silence descended upon the room. Andrews mind sprung into life again. "What about sea trials?"

"What about them?" Ismay muttered clenching his teeth, dropping ash into his lap.

"Olympic ex-Titanic wouldn't have had any. I wouldn't like going to sea without testing her."

"Dash it all! That would give the game away, man!"

Andrews sulked. "And by the way, how do we get away with this without 15,000 Irish men coming forward and telling someone?"

Ismay sat back in his chair; "Now THAT, my dear Andrews, is a good question...."

The sinking of the Titanic was an insurance scam. The switch was made in Belfast docks. Under-water video of the sunken vessel in the Atlantic proves the name plate now shows the letters "M" and "P". The letters of "Titanic" "A" and "N", previously affixed over them, have dropped off.






Also interesting is this:

Three opponents to the federal reserve act were on board. All three drowned. John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isador Strauss

The titanic sank on 15th April 1912

In 1913 the federal reserve act was made into law.

This made it necessary for US citizens to pay income tax (the interest on the loans)

The deadline to US tax returns is the 15th April




# Posted by spam95 - 24/04/2012, 10:34 (GMT)


# Posted by NIGHT TRAIN - 24/04/2012, 11:56 (GMT)

Not bollocks whatsoever...and seeing the timing of the last comment, it would seem it was made without looking at the evidence...which is typical of people rebutting these theories....
the powers that would be proud of that response!

# Posted by A Band of Gypsies / A.B.O.G - 24/04/2012, 12:19 (GMT)

Great story but the olympic was scrapped in 1935, or so we're told.... :-)


# Posted by Manni ..DESOLATION ROW - 24/04/2012, 12:25 (GMT)

all water under the bridge ......... now .

# Posted by NIGHT TRAIN - 24/04/2012, 12:35 (GMT)


You missed the point...allegations are that Titanic was scrapped in 1935, Olympic sank 1912

# Posted by Viva la Coldplay - 24/04/2012, 13:17 (GMT)

Thank you Night Train at least someone got the point!!


# Posted by A Band of Gypsies / A.B.O.G - 24/04/2012, 14:18 (GMT)

Sorry had only just woke up and not read it properly, interesting to say the least :-)

# Posted by John Wilkinson: - 24/04/2012, 14:37 (GMT)

So did The Oympic / Titanic / USS Enterprise NCC 1701 -F ever sail again?


Not convinced by the letters anyway as it looks photoshopped to my eyes. The biggest flaw is the point that me old mucker Shaun makes at the end of the piece.

"Andrews sulked. "And by the way, how do we get away with this without 15,000 Irish men coming forward and telling someone?"

Ismay sat back in his chair; "Now THAT, my dear Andrews, is a good question...."

Best wishes


# Posted by ................................. - 24/04/2012, 15:28 (GMT)

In August of 1991, a team of explorers brought back proof from the wrecked Titanic to prove that it was indeed the Titanic. It seems that all of White Star Line's ships have a special symbol and number punched on all of the steel. After examining the hull the explorers saw the unmistakable number that clearly identified it as the Titanic. When they returned they released pictures and videos, which clearly dismissed this conspiracy.

there you go chaps.that is copied from the postscript of one of the sites with the authors theory described .i think what makes this particular theory so week is that too many people would have known(irish) and too few gain, the"powers" as n.train calls them would have no intrest in being complicit such a cover-up, i mean look how we have the murdochs squeeming on the telly and they,re practically in league with satan, i dont think captain birdseyes employers carried that much clout.

but hey,i enjoyed raise the titanic, got the album, but deffo fiction

# Posted by A Band of Gypsies / A.B.O.G - 24/04/2012, 15:43 (GMT)

@Bassman Daz, like your closing statement lol it was a good film for its time but, I wouldn't have bought the soundtrack lmao :-D

# Posted by ................................. - 24/04/2012, 15:56 (GMT)

band of gypsies sacrilege,

thats the late great john barry sir!


# Posted by A Band of Gypsies / A.B.O.G - 24/04/2012, 16:50 (GMT)

Lol @ Bassman Daz still wouldn't buy it haha

# Posted by LAST GANG IN TOWN - 24/04/2012, 17:44 (GMT)

This is one of the most believable and provable conspiracies of all time...Insurance fraud on the high seas was common place in those days and this was the biggest insurance job Llyods had ever paid out on...on the wrong ship.
The only 'Bollocks' are between the ears of anyone too blinkered and brainwashed to see through the veil of bullshit presented as facts by the media...

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 24/04/2012, 19:08 (GMT)

The Late Great John Barry indeed,one of the best composers of this century.Raise the Titanic,and Dancing with Wolves are worth watching just for their soundtracks alone......T

# Posted by Viva la Coldplay - 24/04/2012, 22:02 (GMT)

Thanks guys hope you enjoyed the read:)


@ John the story is fictional but who knows mate!! Couple of quid here and there works wonders I guess!! The amount of people who left ship at Ireland is unreal. Even the designer from White star decided against joining it at the last minute. Dodgy as hell!

As I said it's a conspiracy theory.... :)

# Posted by Jez - 24/04/2012, 22:13 (GMT)

Ahh, the majority... we are indeed so brainwashed and blinkered!

I'm going anti sheeple from now on and protesting! I'm going to buy the anti sheeple Anthem.... how did it go... "f*** you I won't do want you tell me".. YEAH!... oh, hold on... new sheeple movement caused by the "anti sheeple"!!!

what now!


# Posted by John Wilkinson: - 24/04/2012, 23:14 (GMT)

Just watched the videos on you tube and have to say I was entertained. Love stuff like this even though I don't think it very likely

Best wishes


# Posted by Tubthumper - 24/04/2012, 23:22 (GMT)

This is one of my favourite conspiracy theories but having followed all the arguments for nearly 2 decades I have to say that there's next to no credence to it - bloody entertaining idea though.

Now the sinking of the Lusitania to draw the USA into WWI on the other hand is one theory that I totally buy in to....

# Posted by Keith (RED ZOO) - 26/04/2012, 15:23 (GMT)

There was a similar theory about th titanics other sister ship RMS Brittanic, only minor differences between the two.

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