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Are you telling me these don't have talent?

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Posted By : Dean (Drummer) | Comments : 26

Just because of the programme....

Agree with the whole 'get off yer arse & support live music' stuff, but if it helps this young timid chap make his first step to stardom then so f**king be it!

Tell you what, if I had a voice like that I wouldn't be playing for scraps every week.

That is all.


# Posted by Tubthumper - 29/03/2012, 13:16 (GMT)

I used to quite respect Simon Cowell for his honesty but after his "just when you thought things couldn't get any worse" comment when this pair took to the stage what little shred of credibility he may have had vanished. I loathe prejudice.

# Posted by WAGONTOWN - 29/03/2012, 13:21 (GMT)

Who's saying they dont have talent?........T

# Posted by Tubthumper - 29/03/2012, 13:22 (GMT)

....although reluctantly I have to agree with Cowell in that I suspect the girl may hold Jonathan back. I didn't rate her voice very much and found the juxtaposition of their singing styles a bit awkward. That said, if she ups her game (could have been first audition nerves) it does offer something different than the ordinary one man one voice opera act that has been seen before. Whilst he does have a good voice people shouldn't be voting for "Britain's best shy fat lad who sings opera well". As much as I loathe prejudice I don't believe in positive discrimination either and it pisses me off when people vote for sob stories over talent.

# Posted by Mick (ex Bad Horsie) - 29/03/2012, 13:26 (GMT)

It's rare that shows like this are about talent. They are usually about a full marketable package. It's been going on since the Television became a media force. The programming to expect a visual package has been going strong since then. I don't understand why people can't see this and ignore it.

The vast majority of the population don't care about what is fed into their ears. That's why Mr Blobby got to number 1. The main draw about these shows is the soap opera element, not the talent.

# Posted by Tubthumper - 29/03/2012, 13:36 (GMT)

I'm moving to utopia.

# Posted by Asa - 29/03/2012, 13:41 (GMT)

I agree that these programs are an ideal platform for people that do have talent that may not always get a fair chance to demonstrate their talent to a wider audience. In that respect, these types of shows have uncovered many a hidden gem.

That said, their core business is entertainment and viewing figures. It's all staged and anyone who thinks it's anything other than panto should probably be encouraged not to take it so seriously.

# Posted by Mick (ex Bad Horsie) - 29/03/2012, 13:49 (GMT)

It makes me suspicious that "The Voice" hasn't had any truly eye-unfriendly contestants on it, which smacks of prior vetting rather than giving people a fair go because the "panel of experts" can't see them.

# Posted by Manni ..DESOLATION ROW - 29/03/2012, 13:59 (GMT)

this lad - my heart went out to him - bullied beyond belief - he has a rock as a friend who stood next to him - yeah ok you could see cowells comments when he came on stage .... yep some would but take it in context - no doubt they have been sat there all day and watched numpty after numpty etc ... in their dayglo shell suits and ill fitting t-shitrts and more attitude than talent - so this guy and his best mate wouldnt have looked any different - but when the guy opend his mouth and sang - well - i was open mouthed for it all - good on him for having the guts to do it and i hope this guy gets something out of this in a big way -

i never judge a book by its cover -
but its a great platform for some people like this guy to spring into life and my hat goes of to him


yeah theres a certain degree of staging in it - and you can pick those who are goingthrough befroe you even know whos going to be going through .
take it all at face value -
its variety in all its guises ....
once the general heats have passed by and it all then becomes about those who have gotten though thats when my interest wanes totally and you really see it for what it is .
the groups are split - and you know more or less agin whos going to be going through - ok its a sheeples vote at the end of the day - but the sheeples are sheperded to beyond obvious - maybe they dont see that .

# Posted by Dean (Drummer) - 29/03/2012, 14:04 (GMT)

Yes yes yes...I know all that.

I actually work in the media so I'm well aware of who's interests the likes of Simon Cowell has at heart.

ALL I'm saying is the lad's got talent, and if a programme like this helps him get the leg up then so be it.

No need to panic, I'll still be going out Saturday night.

# Posted by Steve Slinger - 29/03/2012, 14:16 (GMT)

I think these shows are great.
Add a spot of healthy cynicism, sit back and enjoy.
Its entertainment for a lot of the general public and why not.
The shows have unearthed some genuine talent, some not so genuine talent and everything in-between.
Yes the final shows are vetted - even the new show - The Voice (the contestents will have gone through several pre-judging stages before hitting the main shows and i doubt the judges had blindfolds on or had their chairs turned around - indeed the application forms probably had to be submitted with a photo).
I'd be surprised if Jonathan didnt win - I thought he was exceptional.

# Posted by Manni ..DESOLATION ROW - 29/03/2012, 14:16 (GMT)

ahhhh its all blx after all ..... :)

# Posted by Mr Cottonhouse - 29/03/2012, 14:30 (GMT)

Go out and do something less boring instead.

Hendrix t-shirt, long hair, odd looking couple...... He knows how to play the game FFS! Well staged and in bad taste.

It's not rocket science..... did you not watch Peter Kays 'X got talent blah blah'.....?

# Posted by Alyerpal - 29/03/2012, 14:34 (GMT)

@ Dean - er no, I just don't give a shit.

And I would still rather have hot pins stuck in my eyes than watch any of that manufactured drivel.



# Posted by Manni ..DESOLATION ROW - 29/03/2012, 14:41 (GMT)

i d have voted for that centurion guy pmsl ......

# Posted by Mr Cottonhouse - 29/03/2012, 14:44 (GMT)

hehe - It won't be long before someone like that actually wins. Only when a mockery is made of the show will it be axed.

# Posted by Manni ..DESOLATION ROW - 29/03/2012, 14:49 (GMT)

its woth £1.5 for a phone call - if only .......
butthen again its a gulity pleasure

# Posted by Mick (ex Bad Horsie) - 29/03/2012, 14:49 (GMT)

The main reason I don't watch any music shows like this is that there is FAR too much good music out there on media like Spotify and Youtube that I can watch and decide for myself whether I like it or not. I like the thrill of hearing something fresh hitting my ear. I watched a series or so of Pop Idol or whatever it was, and didn't get one sniff of that feeling.

It's rare that we get to see them performing their own songs, and they only get allowed to do that if the song is deemed suitable by the panels. I bet the contracts aren't exactly lucrative for the winners either. At the end of the day it's about viewing figures, not the longevity of the artist.

There are probably others, but I can only think of Susan Boyle, Leona Lewis and Girls Aloud that have made a real career from these shows.....?

# Posted by Kevo - Roadhog - 29/03/2012, 15:02 (GMT)

Good luck to anyone who can get do well out of these shows, but I can't stand the contrived nature in which the crap acts are misled and publicly humiliated. I know acts that have returned day after day of the audition process (in the same togs for continuity) that have their hopes built up and dashed. And yes, anyone who uses BGT or X factor in their marketing has to pay SIDCO a commission.
I used to enjoy it as harmless enertainment, but what finished it off for me was a live sing off between a lad who'd lost his voice and a girl who sang her heart out. The panel refused to judge on performance and went to public vote - the girl was booted off.....just not fair!

# Posted by egbert - 29/03/2012, 15:17 (GMT)

Our mob entered BGT before I joined, didn't get too far - there was a news report of it at the time but seems to have gone now. There are conflicting reports about it from within the band...

2 years ago they entered the SKY show. I didn't go to the first couple "auditions" (muttering on about integrity and all that ;-)) but finally relented for the first "televised" one given I didn't think I'd get the opportunity to play at the Bridgewater Hall too often ;-)

We got 3 x's but one of the z list celebrity judges came to seek us out afterwards to suggest we weren't really the right sort of thing. I hated every minute of it - we had to be there at some ungodly hour like 7 or something, soundcheck at 8ish and then sit around between moving to "great place for a shooot guys" location doing little contrived interviews: "what would you do if you won the top prize of £1000" - "no, you'll have to do that again, "go shopping or get pissed" isn't what we want to hear" and "when you answer include the question". Went on around midday. Whole place was like a cattle market, bands, TV crews the lot milling around and fighting for places to do interviews. Final straw for me was someone sticking a camera in my face just before we went on stage and saying "are you feeling nervous about playing in front of these superstar judges", I mean FFS, heads up any higher and they'll start to see daylight between teeth...

Embarrassing moment in music confession over...

# Posted by Fanny Oakley - 29/03/2012, 16:57 (GMT)

@ BH Mick - Will Young, JLS, Alexandra Burke, Olly Murs.. just adding to your list :-)

# Posted by Ace (Red Zoo) - 29/03/2012, 17:08 (GMT)

Jedward, :0(

# Posted by JCartysRoadie - 29/03/2012, 21:27 (GMT)

Its an entertainment show...publicity and ratings are what count, gained either through exceptional talent to marvel at, or a complete lack of it to giggle at..simple as. Also when you sign up to audition, the paperwork gives your performance rites if you win the whole show, to Simon, for ten years.

# Posted by Jez - 29/03/2012, 21:48 (GMT)

People like these shows. People like karaoke. I like Rock. Some like Bob Dylan. If people enjoy their thing, who gives a fuck?


# Posted by Rusty Bullets - 30/03/2012, 22:33 (GMT)

Back to the original post, I counter... does having these to people on their show make it worth watching???

Not in my humble opinion!

Rusty Bullets

# Posted by Willow (of somebig™Fish) (Reti... - 31/03/2012, 06:43 (GMT)

Fat guy is a setup, just like the old scottish woman was!
Step away from the fucking tv!

# Posted by CJ - 31/03/2012, 11:23 (GMT)

I think the fat bloke is Peter Kay.

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